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Thursday, April 29, 2010
Unexplainable.
It is hard to even come up with a reasonable account for such behavior. I would be interested in the thoughts of others as to the opinions offered in the article. I will say the Chinese take little time in handing out punishment. I found it interesting they make mention of all the people in China with "mental health disorders" but in the next paragraph make mention that there was "no history of mental illness" in the executed murderer. Why even mention "mental health disorders"?What horror.
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Yuck!
Is it really worth understanding why? I suppose it probably is but I think it will have to be someone besides me.
Agree JP
I like the idea of cultural template and copy-cat, etc...
I think it would be worth understanding why in hopes that it could be prevented but I do not think this is ever going to be a realistic expectation as JP points out.
I think there is something distinctly different behind the kind of pathology it takes to go into a school and shoot unarmed peers, who you may believe have ostracized and bullied you vs. going into a pre-school with a butcher knife and stabbing 4 y/o kids who you have no relation to in any way shape or form.
A while back we contemplated whether thought caused emotion or vice versa. Something to do with David Hume...
Anyway, this horrible event in China got me thinking about emotion. There really aren't that many emotions; we've all probably felt all of them by junior high.
But the twisted cognition that triggered the emotion and the twisted cognition that then responded to the emotion by creating his behavior... a complete freaking disaster. Upsetting.
"I recall reading recenlty the problems caused in certain brain disorders where emotions were stripped out of the equation and the people themselves basically were no longer able to really function."
Spock seems to do ok.
I would agree we need emotions but the problem is we have way too much of them in general.
I am not sure we have an agreed upon definition of "psychopathic". I would disagree that planning for fame in the act of an atrocity signifies a greater level of psychopathy. It designates a different kind. I would say that a desire to reap such carnage on children is to me more debase and less human. Somehow it seems so contrary to what appears to be an instinctual protective response most have towards children. That is what makes such an act hard to fathom.
Re: hospitalizing Chinese killers
No, and even if it did, you'd need to examine coat/benefit vs. any other way money used such as better road safety
I agree Thai. It makes me ill how we have medicalised such behaviors. Psychiatry has no understanding of such evil nor any treatment yet it does not prevent the group as a whole in attempting to lay claim to some kind of explanatory pseudo-expertise.Sexual offenders are a wonderful example. There is no compelling evidence TX of any kind works. Psychiatry treats almost nothing effectively. Certainly not killers of childern.
The entire field of forensic psychiatry makes me sick. I have little interest in speculative explanations of wrong doing. I only care about just punishment. My psychiatric unit has become a Holiday Inn for law breakers. The police support this nonsense and often tell people "you can go to jail or the hospital". This is why the bubble is growing and will burst.
Also JP you get my point exactly. No doubt those two boys at Columbine were twisted but who of us has not fantasized about taking out our oppressors in a burst of glorious gunfire from our searing hot Uzi or raining down Ninja style death blows to our enemies in payback for our perceived slights? Ok maybe just me.
Anyway it takes an especially perverse mind to slaughter innocent children.
"Anyway it takes an especially perverse mind to slaughter innocent children."
Agreed.
My wife used to be absolutely fascinated by the mind of "evil". Though I have not noticed as much interest in this topic in years, she used to devour books on serial killers like Ted Bundy, etc...
I've always had a hard time with this fascination. From my perspective these people simply need to cease to exist and as they have done so much damage, as long as there is not a significant deterioration in the rate of convicting the innocent (which is a important issue to me), then the cheaper the better.
If death penalty is cheaper, fry them. If it is more expensive then keep them behind bars.
The situation is bad enough without having to compromise elementary school budgets in order to appease someone else's sense of cosmic justice.
PS- I'm not "pro" death penalty as the idea of harming people is not very appealing to me. I'm pro "get them out of the system"- period. Punishment is not my issue, I just don't want these people around. Punishment really seems more for someone we are trying to rehabilitate and bring back into the system.
Whatever fractal combinatoricsof neural cell clusters and environmental factors has led to this, it is simply outside the boundaries of my system.
"But will they really pay all the damages given the negative externalities of dead wildlife, habitat destruction, loss of property values from oil on the beaches, etc. I mean, the losses are just going to be staggering.
If I keep this up, I am going to get all doomerish on everyone. I am already depressed enough."
I'm sitting on the barstool next to you sobbing into my own beer, Okie.
This oil spill is going to be horrific. A lot of animals, through no fault of their own, are going to suffer. Joyful animals like dolphins and seals. But the real heartwrencher for me is the otters. The cute litte bastards are just so playful and enthusiastic.
So I've been following links to see how I could help the otters, but there isn't infrastructure yet. The seabird people have gotten some stuff set up, but I get the impression that no one is quite sure what to do yet.
So do I drive to the Gulf in the RV and catch some otters? They're fast and slippery. I'll need a trailer full of clams to keep them fed. Once I get them home I only have three bathtubs. Will the local rivers be too cold? The complexity is paralyzing me. Maybe the magic of youth (and the bliss of ignorance) is being only able to see simplicity and therefore able to dream and act without limit. Of course, disillusionment will come to them fast enough.
I swear I may lose it and go get some gulf river otters; regardless of the cost.
Dink, you put this on SRCS
I don't think Okie is reading this thread. He is in the jungle right now.
And agreed, the pictures are tragic.
Thai I swear I had a post asking for a fractal explanation of all this but did not think there was any way to ask without coming off as a smart ass and you go and give me a link anyway, without me asking. Hysterical.
Oh, go ahead and be a smart ass. ;-)
There are cruel smart asses but I don't read any cruelty in your humor.
I'm not sure if you have seen any of these reports.
Not sure if they are true or not but either way it is really really sad
I did not see that. i am never sure what to make of such statistics and wonder how they relate to poverty or economic issues in other perhaps poorer cultures.
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