tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post7296605615333911921..comments2023-09-10T08:35:25.739-07:00Comments on Street Rat Crazy Saloon: LevelsDinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10907199567928816652noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-42073371584076554302010-03-31T13:54:32.636-07:002010-03-31T13:54:32.636-07:00May be hooked bur really more a function of needin...May be hooked bur really more a function of needing to check email on vacation; alas my work never really stops. <br /><br />Re: do we know?<br /><br />We know that whatever it is, consciousness must be energy and I think I have already shared that I suspect it may be a Boze-Einstein condensate.<br /><br />If so, fractal gometry as a model works well as many others have recognized and I suspect JP "sees" as well.Thaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700253024420397221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-76219376337049324062010-03-31T12:55:00.218-07:002010-03-31T12:55:00.218-07:00I am not sure we know enough to have a model of &q...I am not sure we know enough to have a model of "consciousness". Do folks even agree on what consciousness is enough to make models of it? Is any guessed descriptive approximation a model?Dr Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453949255704523726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-16094341895304188372010-03-31T10:42:20.779-07:002010-03-31T10:42:20.779-07:00Thai, sweetie...
YOU ARE HOOKED !!!!Thai, sweetie...<br />YOU ARE HOOKED !!!!Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-40434419275715526612010-03-31T08:20:15.265-07:002010-03-31T08:20:15.265-07:00JP
... Briefly commenting from my iPhone.
I th...JP <br /><br />... Briefly commenting from my iPhone. <br /><br />I think many of us would absolutely agree with you that fractal geometry makes excellent models of consciousness and I'm a little perplexed why Dr, John does not agree?<br /><br />Be wellThaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700253024420397221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-59482215205404076932010-03-30T13:58:08.488-07:002010-03-30T13:58:08.488-07:00Haven't you noticed how we sniff with words ?
...Haven't you noticed how we sniff with words ?<br />Try NOT sniffing with words when you meet somebody at work or at a party and see what happens...Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-60737276891883514032010-03-30T11:14:42.928-07:002010-03-30T11:14:42.928-07:00I am laughing at your last post Debra. Not sure wh...I am laughing at your last post Debra. Not sure what is better crab or jelly but at least for now I am glad we are not crotch sniffers. hahha hhahhaDr Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453949255704523726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-42703224982328197792010-03-30T09:07:41.163-07:002010-03-30T09:07:41.163-07:00Which is better ?
Being a jellyfish or a hermit cr...Which is better ?<br />Being a jellyfish or a hermit crab ?<br />After years of desperately hugging the walls, I am attempting a jellyfish act.<br />Which sometimes means taking a stab at being ectoplasm..<br />Can one be both jellyfish AND hermit crab ?<br />I keep trying to get the knack of that famous copula, as it is called..<br />You know one of the things that I found out not so long ago ?<br />That we are sniffers. Like dogs.<br />But we sniff with words.<br />Would it be better if we stuck our noses in each other's crotches ?<br />More.. AUTHENTIC ?<br />That damned frontal cortex.<br />Sometimes it is a pain in the ass...Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-4420813953620425602010-03-30T07:19:24.066-07:002010-03-30T07:19:24.066-07:00I would agree with you completely Debra. I am a Sk...I would agree with you completely Debra. I am a Skeptic in every sense of the word and when skepticism is your world view you have no trouble poking holes in things. As you correctly point out sometimes it is at the expense of being hopeless. On the other hand you do not find yourself floating from fad to fad in an attempt for self fulfillment as I see most people doing. There is something wonderful about saying I don't know and deciding you do not need it explained or it really does not have an explanation humans can grasp. Most people just cannot do that and by default such an approach often requires the deconstruction of alternate systems of belief that present themselves for consideration. It can be excessively negativistic but it does not always need to be so.Dr Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453949255704523726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-79649754871442986132010-03-30T07:04:48.718-07:002010-03-30T07:04:48.718-07:00By the way, I find American culture (or should I s...By the way, I find American culture (or should I say, Western culture ?) incredibly depressed and disillusioned.<br />Spending mucho time and energy on debunking people is a waste of talent, like you said elsewhere, Doctor John. (No, that was Thai, talking about the traders and Wall Street. Maybe less of a waste of time, Wall Street, than wasting time and energy on debunking.)<br />I constantly warn the people on this blog about the seductive sirens of the... NEGATIVE.<br />The negative takes you down. Slowly or quickly, but it still takes you down.<br />I try to avoid it. I'm not always successful, but then our social context is really the pits for trying to avoid the seduction of the negative.Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-59885943831156221472010-03-30T06:59:51.002-07:002010-03-30T06:59:51.002-07:00No idea in Spanish.
I read him in French, with an ...No idea in Spanish.<br />I read him in French, with an Alsacian guy who spoke fluent German. We went through the text with a fine tooth comb. (The Studies on Hysteria, The Psychoanalytic Technique, and passages of Dream Interpretation.)<br />I love doing that kind of stuff.<br />Language is fascinating. My first love. With literature, of course.Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-4166671289116476402010-03-30T06:38:00.720-07:002010-03-30T06:38:00.720-07:00I would also add that I have only read English tra...I would also add that I have only read English translations of Freud.I know some Spanish. Is he good in Spanish? Maybe that will help....Dr Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453949255704523726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-58386087832984855072010-03-30T06:26:52.376-07:002010-03-30T06:26:52.376-07:00I have read Freud. He bores me like most priests a...I have read Freud. He bores me like most priests and gurus. I find the writings of those who deconstruct him much more interesting. I would recommend "Follies of the Wise" by Frederick Crews. I can see why people would gravitate to that kind of stuff though in the same way they flock to religion. We want explanations for things that do not have good explanations so people create spirits and constructs like the Ego or archetypes to help. I do not see this helping much and just prefer to respond "I don't know" which most people do not like to do. As William James would say to me it has no "cash value".Dr Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453949255704523726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-75011127069046673512010-03-29T23:18:06.089-07:002010-03-29T23:18:06.089-07:00I love Freud.
The idea of systematizing human beha...I love Freud.<br />The idea of systematizing human behavior is truly revolting to me.<br />That's why I became a Lacanien psychoanalyst.<br />I COULD HAVE been a psychologist...<br />By the way Doctor John, have you ever really read Freud ? I discovered during my official training that most people read Cliff Notes of Freud..<br />Too bad, from what I hear the English translations (at least Jones...) are NOT up to parr.<br />Freud was a WRITER first. A literary type. Like me.Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-29077716024996406712010-03-29T16:18:03.747-07:002010-03-29T16:18:03.747-07:00I have no prejudice Debra. I can't stand both ...I have no prejudice Debra. I can't stand both Freud and Jung. Sweet dreams. JohnDr Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453949255704523726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-20973974649040935992010-03-29T15:10:23.634-07:002010-03-29T15:10:23.634-07:00You haven't answered my question in there Dink...You haven't answered my question in there Dink..<br />I have stopped reading "how to" books.<br />When I read history, I like to read historical fiction, because I like fictionalized real life characters.<br />Otherwise the stuff is too dry for me. And I don't retain it.<br />What am I reading ?<br />Still trying to plow through Rousseau, Emile.<br />I just finished a quickie book called "Confessions d'une Taupe au Pôle Emploi" which translates as "Confessions of a Mole in Pole Unemployment".<br />What I call Rabbis' humor on the eve of the pogrom...the state of one of our former public services that the government has just guillotined to make it look like the government's idea of what a private business should look like.<br />Talk about Kafka..<br />Along those little fictions around "what if" ?, Doctor John, I also have a post in here somewhere about "what if" fourteen year old Adolf had found a kind, caring soul to fish him out of the gutter in Vienna...<br />Pleasant dreams. I am going to bed now. <br />You are unfair to Freud, Doctor John.<br />Americans have always had a prejudice for Jung.<br />Not me. I never forget that Jung was the son of a Protestant pastor...<br />Freud, at least his nanny was Catholic...Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-30514103771948886382010-03-29T15:01:36.703-07:002010-03-29T15:01:36.703-07:00Dink,I wish we could systematize human interaction...Dink,I wish we could systematize human interaction in such a way. All the really good parts I think cannot be put on a flow chart. JP, I think Jung was mostly an insane man who historically was reported to be pathologically obsessed with undermining Freud.Who knows. Dream analysis? Lets look for bumps on your head after. I stick by my assertion they left us with not much of practical value but like astrology, it has broad influence that I can not argue over. There is no accounting for taste.Dr Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453949255704523726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-23094154643263311352010-03-29T13:34:43.637-07:002010-03-29T13:34:43.637-07:00Wow, so many branches on these comments that I'...Wow, so many branches on these comments that I'd love to explore.<br /><br />1) First some housekeeping: my e-mail is scifidink@gmail.com. I saw your e-mail Dr. J and added you so you should be getting an e-mail from blogger.com soon. Feel free to jump in JP.<br /><br />2) <i>"This also gets into my current operating theory that individual human personalities can be explained by geometric configurations, e.g. fractals."</i><br /><br />Personality theory is fascinating! Any links you recommend?<br /><br />3) <i>"Like Dr. John, I basically gave up fiction....Real life is stranger than fiction anyway"</i><br /><br />I don't drink etoh so I need a different type of escapism. Sci fi can be good mind candy ;)<br /><br />4)<i>"Yeah, I like to be provocative sometimes.<br />But not gratuitously provocative."</i><br /><br />I suppose gratuitousness is subjective...<br /><br />5)<i>"There were always this many people to get together and talk about "this stuff", just normally not more than 1 in every five villages or so. :)"</i><br /><br />I love the internet deeply<br /><br />6) <i>"Most of what psychiatry has created is very bad metaphysics with no practical application... I like you believe that people can help other people feel better emotionally."</i><br /><br />Maybe we can create a flow chart.<br />Is pt responsive to stimulus? Y<br />Is pt able to get physical needs met? Y<br />Does pt self-report distress emotions? N<br />Is pt interacting in social milieu within tolerable range? Y<br /><br />I dunno. Just playing around, but it would be interesting to chart out..Dinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10907199567928816652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-27465146813094724862010-03-29T13:27:08.887-07:002010-03-29T13:27:08.887-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126071014909954387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-60286541566505310232010-03-29T12:22:04.610-07:002010-03-29T12:22:04.610-07:00Cranky is an accurate description Debra. Psychiatr...Cranky is an accurate description Debra. Psychiatry is very much a religion. There is a lot of "revealed truth" going on. I think where it falls apart and is even less useful than most religion is that it seldom presents to people an organized set of principles for living. Most of what psychiatry has created is very bad metaphysics with no practical application. The reason I read Marcus Aurelius and not Freud or Adler for help is that Marcus tells me how to live when I have pain. This is what people need. I am an areligious person at this stage but at least I see religion offering that to people. I do not buy into the idea it offers the other stuff that it usually sells like exclusive salvation or "truth" but I see people making practical use of it to deal with pain. I like you believe that people can help other people feel better emotionally. I just do not buy into the idea that there has been anything in particular created by psychiatry/psychology to aid in this. JP. I agree truth is way stranger than fiction. I tend to read 3-4 books at a time putting them down for a while and going to another. One I am trying to digest is "What If". It was written by a bunch of historians who consider what would things be like if say Hannibal had not been turned back or Genghis Khan had not stopped just a few hundred miles short of Vienna. That's good fiction.Dr Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453949255704523726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-67325559082601533042010-03-29T10:12:15.802-07:002010-03-29T10:12:15.802-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126071014909954387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-29939958625199752292010-03-29T10:09:55.310-07:002010-03-29T10:09:55.310-07:00Hey dinky, thanks for sticking the link on.
I read...Hey dinky, thanks for sticking the link on.<br />I read all the way through the article.<br />I like your crankiness, Doctor John, and your no nonsense approach.<br />But... here in France where pharma is NOT YET quite as invasive as it is in the mother country, there are STILL psychiatrists who are working as psychotherapists, for example and actually helping patients...<br />I don't like the idea of psychiatry as a science.<br />A religion ? Not all religion is bad, you know.<br />There are worse things around than being a religion.<br />No fair, dinky on provocation.<br />Yeah, I like to be provocative sometimes.<br />But not gratuitously provocative.Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-16261799929449663532010-03-29T10:07:52.838-07:002010-03-29T10:07:52.838-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126071014909954387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-43370130580769492942010-03-29T09:57:19.942-07:002010-03-29T09:57:19.942-07:00Dink, I need your email. Mine is jsorboromd@yahoo....Dink, I need your email. Mine is jsorboromd@yahoo.com if that helps. JohnDr Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07453949255704523726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-31116110591746516312010-03-29T09:26:59.077-07:002010-03-29T09:26:59.077-07:00Here is a link to the issue of Skeptic where one c...Here is a link to the issue of Skeptic where one can find Dr. John's <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmske/is_3_13/" rel="nofollow">article</a>.<br /><br />It is fascinating, especially considering that it was written by an "insider" of the profession.<br /><br /><i>"Have you ever read the work of Frank Jackson and the problem of Qualia? If not,tell me how to post and I will post on it as it relates to this issue."</i><br /><br />No, but I am curious. To post, you send me an e-mail. I add you as an author. You'll receive an e-mail from blogger.com asking if you accept. You accept, follow a link, and write a post. It really walks you through the process; its as easy as entering a comment really.<br /><br /><i>" Matter ----> Life -----> Mind ------> Spirit ------> God."</i><br /><br />Welllll, that gets to be a problem as some street rats are deists and others are hell-bent on evolution ;)<br /><br /><i>"I'm still assuming that my fractal can be represented by a unique Calabi-Yau manifold unless someone can convinve me otherwise"</i><br /><br />You can go down this rabbit hole when Thai gets back; I'm just a fractal novice. I think the Julia set is cooler than the Mandelbrot set (i.e. I stick my toe into the rabbit hole, but go no further).<br /><br /><i>"Debra, come on. You know why we need to predict."</i><br /><br />Deb likes to provoke for no apparent reason.<br /><br />So JP and Dr. John, hope we'll see some posts soon!Dinkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10907199567928816652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-17732434759888350822010-03-29T09:04:22.985-07:002010-03-29T09:04:22.985-07:00I am not a positivist, Doctor John. ;-)I am not a positivist, Doctor John. ;-)Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.com