tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post2101216207778572303..comments2023-09-10T08:35:25.739-07:00Comments on Street Rat Crazy Saloon: Angela Merkel's Scylla and CharybdisDinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10907199567928816652noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-38627877453024684082010-02-09T11:00:09.713-08:002010-02-09T11:00:09.713-08:00I thought you all might smile at this (of course ...<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article7013764.ece" rel="nofollow">I thought you all might smile at this </a> (of course our smiles originate from different viewpoints).Thaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700253024420397221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-69130151435294003852010-02-09T07:32:56.657-08:002010-02-09T07:32:56.657-08:00I read through the link, Thai.
Check out an articl...I read through the link, Thai.<br />Check out an article on the home page about how information is disseminated in social networking.<br />It throws a loop in commonly held to be true hub ideas.<br />Enjoy.Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-51722321748642573062010-02-08T09:38:15.103-08:002010-02-08T09:38:15.103-08:00Goody Thai, thanks for the link, I don't have ...Goody Thai, thanks for the link, I don't have time for it right now, but I will savor it.<br />Edwardo, your praise has given me warm feelings. Thanks.Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-46832617041233560312010-02-06T05:14:46.503-08:002010-02-06T05:14:46.503-08:00Deb, I thought you'd enjoy.Deb, <a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24763/" rel="nofollow">I thought you'd enjoy</a>.Thaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700253024420397221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-33432113102994550892010-02-03T08:41:03.337-08:002010-02-03T08:41:03.337-08:00LOL, Okie, your answer is why I send everyone pack...LOL, Okie, your answer is why I send everyone packing to read the Merchant of Venice.<br />The law is... a psychotic phenomenon.<br />It takes logic SO far that it is illogical, irrational. <br />I read up quite a bit to try to understand all the intricacies of death penalty law/legislation, and it was a dry, dusty world, there, the world of the law...Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-34906733575053931942010-02-03T08:40:28.467-08:002010-02-03T08:40:28.467-08:00From a legal standpoint, this is about one of the ...From a legal standpoint, this is about one of the most muck infested quagmires imaginable. Having said that, I agree, Deb, with your homing in on the issue of "evidence as property." <br /><br />Merkel is a politician, which in practical terms means she will do what is most advantageous to her position, regardless of the legal or moral issues. That is the essence of the vast majority of most politician's standard of behavior, and plump little fraulein Merkel doesn't strike me as any exception.<br /><br />Suffice it to say, Deb, that, with respect to this issue, I think you have done a solid job of excavating the salient issues.Edwardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03613197383283896190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-36422821237157243412010-02-02T18:51:39.214-08:002010-02-02T18:51:39.214-08:00I have thought on this a bit an I think that in ge...I have thought on this a bit an I think that in general I agree with the Exclusionary rule.<br /><br />If I were a judge I would set it up this way as well.<br /><br />This is in many ways no different that the issues of freedom of speech that constantly come up in various forms.Thaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700253024420397221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-46897740232157926472010-02-02T17:55:27.060-08:002010-02-02T17:55:27.060-08:00Hey Okie, I hope the beach is treating you well?
...Hey Okie, I hope the beach is treating you well?<br /><br />Deb, great post.<br /><br />I have no answer to this quandary as it is another one of those "a rose by any other name would not smell as sweet" or "zero-sum" issues that entirely on one's viewpoint.<br />we did, then what we currently see would not exist.<br /><br />You rightfully smell Totalitarianism in this, the person who sees this as the right thing to do sees totalitarianism in not doing it.<br /><br />The is no absolute answer as to who is right.<br /><br />Personally I am a fan of English Common law and I am willing to accept that we follows its rules.Thaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00700253024420397221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-65999798656137108412010-02-02T14:13:13.301-08:002010-02-02T14:13:13.301-08:00Debra:
Think evidence of tax evasion.
And under ...Debra:<br /><br />Think evidence of <i>tax evasion</i>.<br /><br />And under U.S. law, the government can sue against seized money. It is not unusual to see lawsuits entitled U.S. v. $25000.00 or something to that effect.OkieLawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071917464425173379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-19337048210769857052010-02-02T11:37:40.144-08:002010-02-02T11:37:40.144-08:00LOL, I looked at your Wikipedia article about the ...LOL, I looked at your Wikipedia article about the exclusionary rule.<br />It was certainly written long after my day.<br />It has great ideological bias in it. <br />What happens when "evidence" is property ? Who does it "belong to" ?<br />This situation looks a little different from the jurisprudence in the article.Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-20390093085785055852010-02-02T05:45:29.778-08:002010-02-02T05:45:29.778-08:00Yes, but Okie... to what extent is that list evide...Yes, but Okie... to what extent is that list evidence, vs.. property, for example ?<br />I did this too quickly ; I'm not sure there is a problem with computer hacking involved, but it appears to be a case of someone in a privileged position wanting to whistle blow to get his hands on a lot of filthy lucre. Not an amateur or professional hacker, but an insider. The government knows who it's dealing with, and this is not a problem.Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510189619803992336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8206677169397293052.post-3343914602928538912010-02-02T05:36:10.508-08:002010-02-02T05:36:10.508-08:00Debra:
Let me put my lawyer hat on for you. Evid...Debra:<br /><br />Let me put my lawyer hat on for you. Evidence that is illegally obtained is admissible <i>as long as the police themselves do not do it, or have someone else do it for them</i>. Of course, this is American law -- not German.<br /><br />This is an exception to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusionary_rule" rel="nofollow">Exclusionary Rule.</a> See <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=256&invol=465" rel="nofollow"><i>BURDEAU v. MCDOWELL, 256 U.S. 465 (1921)</i></a> (Evidence unlawfully obtained from the defendant by a private person is admissible. The exclusionary rule is designed to protect privacy rights, with the Fourth Amendment applying specifically to government officials.)<br /><br />Maybe that explains Angela Merkel's actions.<br /><br />That, and the fact that they can "follow the money" to the hacker.OkieLawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071917464425173379noreply@blogger.com